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do you know, by the way, this someone of my candidates for president, rick snyder. he's a magnificent governor and bless the legislator. detroit used to have millionaires than new york. it it was a beautiful city. they almost had the eolympics there. you can see the videos of what detroit was like. first it was dried by the mob with the race riots. then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad. and people have the precise numbers on this. the amount of money you paid for a car that is paying for pensions of people who retired five years ago that's correct is a do youing state. one of the most beautiful states in the union and that's what happens. >> let me answer your great point. this is true. right now detroit is on the verge of bankruptcy. one of america's great cities. they have lost half their population. can go on the internet. i urge our viewers to go out there. you can buy homes in detroit for a thousand dollars. last time i was there, it was shocking how one boarded up house of a another. it almost looked like new orleans of a hurricane katrin
do you know, by the way, this someone of my candidates for president, rick snyder. he's a magnificent governor and bless the legislator. detroit used to have millionaires than new york. it it was a beautiful city. they almost had the eolympics there. you can see the videos of what detroit was like. first it was dried by the mob with the race riots. then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad. and people have the precise numbers on this. the amount of money you paid for a car...
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snyder for his signature. protesters of this new law number some 10,000 at today's demonstrations. most league made up of uaw union of the workers, machinists, teachers, sometimes angry crowds that seem to be taking cues frm their democratic leaders. one group described by those on the ground as a mob chanting and gohome while tearing down a conservative activist group tent. a member of that mob scene right here. this as protesters are heard in the background treatening the police with violence. here he is trying to plead with pro union protesters to be less physical, lot less. >> already destroyed onetent. leavitt's and alone. >> get out of my face. >> don't teardown that tend. >> get out of my face. i didn't hurt nobody. get outta my ace. get at my face. lou: one state legislator before the bout had been taken declared there would be blood, repercussions, as you saw there. some protesters got more than just a little physical. democratic state reprentative said i right to work legislation were to be passed, t
snyder for his signature. protesters of this new law number some 10,000 at today's demonstrations. most league made up of uaw union of the workers, machinists, teachers, sometimes angry crowds that seem to be taking cues frm their democratic leaders. one group described by those on the ground as a mob chanting and gohome while tearing down a conservative activist group tent. a member of that mob scene right here. this as protesters are heard in the background treatening the police with...
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michigan governor rick snyder could sign bills into law any minute now. so is this the end for unions? joining me now is the the director of labor policy at mack kin gnaw center, who has been at the protests site all day. we have mark brenner, director of labor notes. vinnie, what do you make of what went on today? >> melissa, thanks for having me on. it is absolutely historic. you're talking about the state with the 52-week highest percentage of union members in the country. the birthplace of the uaw. for what has been long considered a union strong hold, giving workers the freedom to choose. freedom to choose whether or not to pay a union and still keep their jobs. this will have national ramification. this is very historic day both for michigan at country. melissa: mark, is there aniable positive way to spin this for the union side? >> of course not. this is union-busting move by lame duck legislature. this is puppet marching to the beat of puppet tease, dick devs of amway who want to hurt unions. melissa: did they succeed? is there a way to battle bac
michigan governor rick snyder could sign bills into law any minute now. so is this the end for unions? joining me now is the the director of labor policy at mack kin gnaw center, who has been at the protests site all day. we have mark brenner, director of labor notes. vinnie, what do you make of what went on today? >> melissa, thanks for having me on. it is absolutely historic. you're talking about the state with the 52-week highest percentage of union members in the country. the...
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we're following some major developments in michigan after governor rick snyder signed two bills into law making michigan the nation's 24th right it work state. now despite violent pro-union protests all day, governor snyder last night said these new laws will create more jobs. >> i don't view this as anti-union at all. i believe this is pro-worker. this is an opportunity for unions to step up to say how they can provide the best value to workers in our state and be really responsive and listen to them and hopefully get successful getting workers on board. jenna: many strong opinions about this. mike tobin in lansing, michigan with the latest. mike? >> reporter: a lot of sound, fury and big numbers are gone from the demonstrationsgan. if you look behind me the afl-cio with a silent protests. you see tape across their mouth. $1500 less that's what they believe on average workers will make here in michigan now that it has become a right-to-work state. this is sharp contrast what we saw yesterday, hundreds and hundreds of angry demonstrators on the capitol ground and capitol building its
we're following some major developments in michigan after governor rick snyder signed two bills into law making michigan the nation's 24th right it work state. now despite violent pro-union protests all day, governor snyder last night said these new laws will create more jobs. >> i don't view this as anti-union at all. i believe this is pro-worker. this is an opportunity for unions to step up to say how they can provide the best value to workers in our state and be really responsive and...
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. >>> michigan governor rick snyder signed right to work legislation into law making it the 24th state to do so. it came after thousands of union supporters protested at the capital. right to work makes it illegal to require workers to join a union or to pay dues as a condition of employment. >>> today president obama will hold a conference call with some of the nation's mayors and community leaders all about that "fiscal cliff." the president and house speaker john boehner talked on the phone last night. the white house lowered the amount of revenue it wants to generate from taxes. republicans say they are still waiting to hear from the president about spending cuts. >>> today the federal reserve is expected to announce a revamped bond buying plan to help boost the economy. the fed's goal is to keep interest rates low and encourage individuals and companies to borrow and spend. experts say that could at least soften the blow from tax increases and spending cuts that will all kick in next month if they don't reach a budget deal. >>> a san francisco-based bank loses its top spot as far
. >>> michigan governor rick snyder signed right to work legislation into law making it the 24th state to do so. it came after thousands of union supporters protested at the capital. right to work makes it illegal to require workers to join a union or to pay dues as a condition of employment. >>> today president obama will hold a conference call with some of the nation's mayors and community leaders all about that "fiscal cliff." the president and house speaker john...
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snyder yesterday. this was the scene outside of the state capitol in lansing yesterday, where more than 10,000 protesters gathered as the house legislature passed that law. joining me is andy potter, vice president of the michigan corrections organization and chair of seiu's republican national advisory committee. good to have you here. because law makers in michigan attached a spending measure to the right to work bills, they can't be rescinded through a referendum but as politico is pointing out, labor unions are staging a counter attack on this. explain why right to work for people, that's supposed to be for the good of the people, would not therefore be put up for a right to be voted on by the people, and now seems entrenched in the fact that it can't go to a referendum. >> well, outside of the referendum, we are ramping up different kinds of opportunities. we are going to reach out to community partners and we are going to be continuing the conversation for two years until we can use the ballot sy
snyder yesterday. this was the scene outside of the state capitol in lansing yesterday, where more than 10,000 protesters gathered as the house legislature passed that law. joining me is andy potter, vice president of the michigan corrections organization and chair of seiu's republican national advisory committee. good to have you here. because law makers in michigan attached a spending measure to the right to work bills, they can't be rescinded through a referendum but as politico is pointing...
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republican governor rick snyder signed the measure yesterday, despite widespread protests by the labor union at the state capitol in lansing. the law will make it illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. despite michigan's long history of controlled labor, the state is controlled by republican-dominated house and senate. yesterday the house rejected last-minute pleas to delay the bill's passage. even president obama, who won michigan by ten points last month, was unable to sway state lawmakers at the last minute during his visit to detroit. but governor snyder says it was the union who started this fight in the first place. >> i asked them not to go forward, and the reasons i said it is you're going to start a very divisive discussion regarding collective bargaining first, but it also will get into right to work. the right-to-work discussion continued to escalate and was becoming very divisive. the way i viewed it is it's on the table, it's a hot issue, let's show some leadership. so i said when i reviewed it, it's a good thing. it's about be
republican governor rick snyder signed the measure yesterday, despite widespread protests by the labor union at the state capitol in lansing. the law will make it illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. despite michigan's long history of controlled labor, the state is controlled by republican-dominated house and senate. yesterday the house rejected last-minute pleas to delay the bill's passage. even president obama, who won michigan by ten points...
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republican gernor rick snyder says he plans to sign the legislation calling it pro-worker. unions sharing a loss ofnion dues and other power attack governor snyderlaiming he's putting the future of the state in the hands of big business. well, president obama adding to the ever-expanding list of titles, the latest coming from the chairman of the white house triball nation's conference. listen. >> the president loves basketball. he has an indian name. he knows what it's like to be poor, and he has not forgotten where he came from, and his theme song is "hail to the chief." [laughter] i think he definitely qualifies as the first american indian president. lou: and so he is declared. you may remember the president has been called the first gay, female, jewish, and asian president; however, without question, the title of america's first black president belongs to bight. -- bill clinton. up nt, the obama ultimatum. tax the rich, or he'll take the country over the cliff. vote on the facebook page, do you agree president obama's ultimatum on higher taxes are responsible for drivin
republican gernor rick snyder says he plans to sign the legislation calling it pro-worker. unions sharing a loss ofnion dues and other power attack governor snyderlaiming he's putting the future of the state in the hands of big business. well, president obama adding to the ever-expanding list of titles, the latest coming from the chairman of the white house triball nation's conference. listen. >> the president loves basketball. he has an indian name. he knows what it's like to be poor,...
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. >> reporter: but republican governor rick snyder insists the legislation will help workers by not forcing them to join unions or pay dues. >> if they don't see value in the union in terms of its activities, should they be forced to pay financial resources for that? i don't believe so. give them choice. >> reporter: the governor and republican lawmakers argue the legislation will attract businesses and keep jobs in michigan. union members argue it will result in lower wages. clear evidence for either argument is inconclusive. workers in right-to-work states do earn $300 more than their counterparts in non-right to work states according to data collected by a group arguing for right to work. but five of the 11 sates with the highest unemployment have right-to-work laws, including nevada, which has the highest unemployment rate in the nation. united auto workers member reggie smith has been a union member for more than 35 years. he warns michigan voters have long memories. >> you've spoken to the people and they're speaking back to you today and they'll take care of you when it comes time fo
. >> reporter: but republican governor rick snyder insists the legislation will help workers by not forcing them to join unions or pay dues. >> if they don't see value in the union in terms of its activities, should they be forced to pay financial resources for that? i don't believe so. give them choice. >> reporter: the governor and republican lawmakers argue the legislation will attract businesses and keep jobs in michigan. union members argue it will result in lower wages....
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and republican governor rick snyder quickly signed the bills, calling them "pro worker" and "pro michigan," but opponents say the move weakens organized labor and will mean lower wages. >>> last night on "politics nation," democratic congressman gary peters of michigan told the reverend al sharpton that governor snyder did an about face on this issue. take a listen. >> it is particularly hard to explain, because we had a governor who repeatedly said that this was not on his agenda, this would be very divisive for our state. he continually said that for a couple years, and then immediately after the election had a really sharp about-face and then just jammed it through without, as you mentioned, without any hearings or public input. i was able to meet with him with other members of the congressional delegation. he sat and listened to us, but he never really responded, and when he did respond, in fact, i was amazed by the lack of understanding that he has about this issue. >> don't miss "politics nation," weekdays at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. >>> all right, less than three week
and republican governor rick snyder quickly signed the bills, calling them "pro worker" and "pro michigan," but opponents say the move weakens organized labor and will mean lower wages. >>> last night on "politics nation," democratic congressman gary peters of michigan told the reverend al sharpton that governor snyder did an about face on this issue. take a listen. >> it is particularly hard to explain, because we had a governor who repeatedly said...
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protesters swarmed rick snyder's office building tuesday demanding that he veto the bill, but the republican governor signed them into law. randall pinkston, cbs news, michigan. >>> "cbs moneywatch" time now on a wednesday. a scandal and a $50 cup of coffee, but you might not want to know how it's made. ashley morrison here in new york with more. good morning. >> you really don't. good morning to you, too, terrell. asian stocks got strength. tokyo's nikkei added half a percent to its highest closing in nearly eight months while hong kong's hang seng gained nearly 1%. wall street remains hopeful that washington will reach a budget deal. the dow added 78 points while the nasdaq gained 35. >>> authorities in britain have arrested three people in connection with the manipulation of the libor interest rate. the arrest follows an investigation launched this summer after barclays bank was fined more than $400 million for falsifying reports related to the libor. the rate indirectly affects consumer borrowing, things like cars and home loans. >>> beyonce is the new face of pepsi. the singer inked a d
protesters swarmed rick snyder's office building tuesday demanding that he veto the bill, but the republican governor signed them into law. randall pinkston, cbs news, michigan. >>> "cbs moneywatch" time now on a wednesday. a scandal and a $50 cup of coffee, but you might not want to know how it's made. ashley morrison here in new york with more. good morning. >> you really don't. good morning to you, too, terrell. asian stocks got strength. tokyo's nikkei added half a...
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>> rick snyder signed two right to work bills into law after they were pushed through, the statehouse democrats in michigan insisted their fight is not over. >> good ideas get debate and bad ones get rammed through with police protection in a lame duck legislature. i will say this. this fight is not over. >> joining me now a radio talk show host michael smerconish and inside michigan politics. michael, i will start with you. you have a number of labor leaders out and they are putting boots on the ground in states like pennsylvania where they are preparing to square off against republicans in a sense of pay back for what we saw in michigan. >> right. you take a look at the pennsylvania legislature controlled by republicans. so too is the governor's mansion and you can say the same about ohio. the take away here is if it could happen in michigan, it can probably happen in a host of other states that are in the rust belt or the midwest. not just sunbelt states where unions have been on the ropes for years. the ripple effect will be very significant. i look at what's on the horizon and ch
>> rick snyder signed two right to work bills into law after they were pushed through, the statehouse democrats in michigan insisted their fight is not over. >> good ideas get debate and bad ones get rammed through with police protection in a lame duck legislature. i will say this. this fight is not over. >> joining me now a radio talk show host michael smerconish and inside michigan politics. michael, i will start with you. you have a number of labor leaders out and they are...
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rick snyder promises to do exactly that, probably tomorrow. look at more pictures we have for you here. more than 12,000 protesters gathered in freezing temperatures. i think i saw some snow falling earlier there in lansing as the lawmakers were inside, voting. and, against the odds, democrats waged a final losing battle. poppy harlow, let me bring you in there, amidst all of this in lansing. set the scene for me, now that we know, poppy, both the bills passed. what is the reaction like in the crowd? >> we knew this was going to happen and frankly, brooke, so did many of the workers, many of them union workers here in the crowd today as you said. thousands, likely more than 10,000 here protesting this legislation. but it is about the symbolism. what does this mean for a state like michigan that is at the heart of the organized labor movement in america to pass this right to work legislation. for our viewers that might not know what this means, if it is signed by the governor which in all likelihood it will be, this means it will be illegal for
rick snyder promises to do exactly that, probably tomorrow. look at more pictures we have for you here. more than 12,000 protesters gathered in freezing temperatures. i think i saw some snow falling earlier there in lansing as the lawmakers were inside, voting. and, against the odds, democrats waged a final losing battle. poppy harlow, let me bring you in there, amidst all of this in lansing. set the scene for me, now that we know, poppy, both the bills passed. what is the reaction like in the...
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. >> bill: but governor rick snyder says he will sign the right-to-work measure tomorrow. he joins us now from lansing, the state capitol. so what do you say to the president, governor, who says this you are basically trying to bring down wages for working people in michigan? >> that's not true at all. if you look at he made the comment about bargaining for wangs. about bringing down wages. this legislation is about freedom to choose for workers, bill. this isn't about the relationship between employers and unions at all. this is not about collective bargaining at all. this is not about other basics, about organizing at all. this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to reco
. >> bill: but governor rick snyder says he will sign the right-to-work measure tomorrow. he joins us now from lansing, the state capitol. so what do you say to the president, governor, who says this you are basically trying to bring down wages for working people in michigan? >> that's not true at all. if you look at he made the comment about bargaining for wangs. about bringing down wages. this legislation is about freedom to choose for workers, bill. this isn't about the...
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republican governor rick snyder had in the past said right to work was a divisive issue but plans on signing the legislation into law making michigan the 24th right to work state. we've got guests on both side of this fight tonight. bob king is president of the united autoworkers. scott hagerstrom is michigan state director for americans for prosperity. let me show you what the governor said earlier today when he was a guest on "andrea mitchell reports." >> the way i viewed it, it's on the table, it's a hot issue. let's show some leadership, so i stepped up to say when i review it, i think it's a good thing. it's about being pro-worker, giving freedom of choice to workers. secondly it's about economy development. we will get more and better jobs coming to michigan because we're going to be more competitive. it's important to make a distinction with wisconsin and ohio. that was about collective bargaining. that was about the relationship between employers and unions. this has nothing to do with that. right to work is about the relationship between the union and workers, and this is ab
republican governor rick snyder had in the past said right to work was a divisive issue but plans on signing the legislation into law making michigan the 24th right to work state. we've got guests on both side of this fight tonight. bob king is president of the united autoworkers. scott hagerstrom is michigan state director for americans for prosperity. let me show you what the governor said earlier today when he was a guest on "andrea mitchell reports." >> the way i viewed it,...
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despite the protests of thousands of people, michigan's governor rick snyder signed into law a right-to-work statute. >> critics say it weakens unions by taking away the requirement of union dues. that's pretty significant, because the state of michigan is one of the birthplaces of modern labor rights. >> reporter: michigan's republican controlled state legislature approved two controversial right-to-work bills, all the while pro union protesters crowded the capital. >> wages will go down. benefits will go down. it's going to hurt small business, local business. it's just going to hurt michigan. >> reporter: at issue is right to work. it allowed people to opt out of joining the union at the workplace. the governor has flip-flopped, saying it was labor and democrats who hit first, trying to pass prop 2 in november. voters turned it down. >> made the point to him to say if you go forward with this, you're going to create an environment involving labor issues that this could rise to the level where i might not be able to keep it off the agenda and that's what happened. >> reporter: democrats an
despite the protests of thousands of people, michigan's governor rick snyder signed into law a right-to-work statute. >> critics say it weakens unions by taking away the requirement of union dues. that's pretty significant, because the state of michigan is one of the birthplaces of modern labor rights. >> reporter: michigan's republican controlled state legislature approved two controversial right-to-work bills, all the while pro union protesters crowded the capital. >> wages...
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once that happens, it's expected to go to governor rick snyder's desk. he is expected to sign it, despite the fact that he did have an hour of intense meetings with democratic congressional delegation from here yesterday where they were asking him to veto this decision or at least delay the decision. he said he would consider their concerns but the likelihood is, if that bill reaches his desk, he will put his signature on it, zoraida. >> we're looking at video right now. we see a little bit of police presence there. they're expecting 10,000 unionized workers to show up today. do they have some security measures in place? >> oh, yeah, they definitely do. you're seeing road closures around the capital. there are parking restrictions in place. you know, if last week is any indication when thousands of people descended on the capital, today aets expected to be even more intense because we're getting closer and closer to that final approval, yes. we've seen even yesterday when i was out here, police were getting ready for what the onslaught of demonstrators a
once that happens, it's expected to go to governor rick snyder's desk. he is expected to sign it, despite the fact that he did have an hour of intense meetings with democratic congressional delegation from here yesterday where they were asking him to veto this decision or at least delay the decision. he said he would consider their concerns but the likelihood is, if that bill reaches his desk, he will put his signature on it, zoraida. >> we're looking at video right now. we see a little...
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last night, michigan governor rick snyder kept his word and signed the controversial legislation into law, despite thousands of protesters. >> this is an area where obviously people disagree. but i'm confident this is in the best interest of michiganders. this will lead to more and better jobs. >> the legislation means public and private sector workers in michigan won't have to join a union or pay union dues if they choose not to. >>> a massive gas line explosion jolted people in their homes. saying it felt like a plane crash. the 70-foot wall of fire destroyed four homes near charleston, west virginia. five other homes were also damaged. this fire was so intense, you can see it right there. damaged an interstate, several people were treated for smoke inhalation. >>> ravi shankar has died. he passed away tuesday after undergoing heart valve replacement surgery. 92 years old and a legend for 50 years. shankar and george harrison teamed up for the concert for bangladesh. his daughter, singer norah jones. he did the score for the movie "ga "ghandi." really recognizable. >>> let's get bac
last night, michigan governor rick snyder kept his word and signed the controversial legislation into law, despite thousands of protesters. >> this is an area where obviously people disagree. but i'm confident this is in the best interest of michiganders. this will lead to more and better jobs. >> the legislation means public and private sector workers in michigan won't have to join a union or pay union dues if they choose not to. >>> a massive gas line explosion jolted...
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governor rick snyder believes there will be more job. he believes the protests hurt more than they help. here he is. >> if you go forward you will create a environment involving labor issues this could rise to the lebl level where i might not keep it off my agenda. i'm not happy about being in this situation. >> he has the responsibility as our leader avoiding this kind of a cliff. it is not, it is not good enough to be for him to say liks behind us. this will do the opposite. martha: there is the scene there. that is a live shot this morning. we were told there would be perhaps thousands of people gathering on the scene. certainly seems to becoming out to be that kind of a turnout. take a look at that this morning, 9:01 eastern time in lansing, michigan. the governor is set to sign this into law later today. it will become the 24th right to work state in the nation. this is growing trend across the united states. you look at states like michigan and wisconsin, both very big union states where this is a real, perhaps, turning point in th
governor rick snyder believes there will be more job. he believes the protests hurt more than they help. here he is. >> if you go forward you will create a environment involving labor issues this could rise to the lebl level where i might not keep it off my agenda. i'm not happy about being in this situation. >> he has the responsibility as our leader avoiding this kind of a cliff. it is not, it is not good enough to be for him to say liks behind us. this will do the opposite....
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here is what michigan governor rick snyder had to say. >> it's all about being pro-worker. we have hard-working people in michigan it's been to give them the freedom to choose. they should be be able to choose whether to join a union or not. this is about the relationship between a union and workers. not about employers and unions. not about collective bargaining. this is solely focused on their relationship. shouldn't people have the opportunity to say they want to belong or not? >> michigan could soon be a right-to-work state. will others follow? joining us now is uaw member and spokesman for the michigan freedom-to-work coalition brian penebaker. you are a line worker right now, correct? >> that's right i'm assembly worker at the sterling axle plant in sterling heights. >> tell us what your reaction is to governor snyder's willingness, desire and push to make michigan a right-to-work state? >> well, what he said is exactly true. up until now, workers in michigan, if you hire in at a shop that has union representation, you were forced to become a member of the union. but
here is what michigan governor rick snyder had to say. >> it's all about being pro-worker. we have hard-working people in michigan it's been to give them the freedom to choose. they should be be able to choose whether to join a union or not. this is about the relationship between a union and workers. not about employers and unions. not about collective bargaining. this is solely focused on their relationship. shouldn't people have the opportunity to say they want to belong or not?...
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snyder says he will sign it. they have to tinker with it tomorrow to do some little --fine tune can, but we just heard from steve cook with the michigan education association that as of tomorrow, michigan will be a right to work state. this is a big slap in the face for organized labor. >> well, we know that organized labor isn't the problem. look at the evidence shown in michigan, ohio and all of these areas that were affected by previously the downsizing in the automobile industry, uaw and management got together. now, you have profit sharing, people back to work, more shifts, more marketability of these new efficient hybrid vehicles. what's wrong with that >> bill: very much a part of that equation. >> they gave up a lot. it's not like they are unwilling to do that. who are you going to short-circuit here? you are going to short-circuit the american public and the work evers overall? unions have been shrinking. you can't just keep blaming one group of individuals. it's misguided unfortunately. >> it's pretty c
snyder says he will sign it. they have to tinker with it tomorrow to do some little --fine tune can, but we just heard from steve cook with the michigan education association that as of tomorrow, michigan will be a right to work state. this is a big slap in the face for organized labor. >> well, we know that organized labor isn't the problem. look at the evidence shown in michigan, ohio and all of these areas that were affected by previously the downsizing in the automobile industry, uaw...
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snyder would veto that right to work. i'm interested in your thoughts about the movement that we seem to be seeing about more and more right to work states. to me, michigan is emblematic of all of them because it's the home of the auto industry where the unions have been so powerful and it's interesting to me in the sense that the state went for obama, but that the voters actually wanted what happened here. >> yeah, that's right. and remember, just as context that there was a measure on the ballot that the big labor bosses were pushing that would have enshrined collective bargaining rights into the state constitution. and it was rejected 57% to 42%. i think that there is certainly -- there is divided government and divided opinion in this country and there is a divided of power to conservatives where beltway republicans fail to do their job, at the national level, more and more we're seeing that grassroots, free market principles are winning at the state and local level. that is cause for hope for sure. >> brian: michelle
snyder would veto that right to work. i'm interested in your thoughts about the movement that we seem to be seeing about more and more right to work states. to me, michigan is emblematic of all of them because it's the home of the auto industry where the unions have been so powerful and it's interesting to me in the sense that the state went for obama, but that the voters actually wanted what happened here. >> yeah, that's right. and remember, just as context that there was a measure on...